Subject	Ive read all the links and honestly....
Posted by	tyler@boostpro.net on February 15, 2007 at 9:10 PM
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In Reply To	Re: AAE outperforming MSP exhaust manifolds.... posted by i-xclr8 on February 15, 2007 at 04:01 PM
Message	how much of a difference are we talking here!?!? maybe 10 hp?! I honestly dont think either of the manifolds are 'better' than the other, for some reasons. - Neither of them are in their FINAL production, they are both being revised. - How hard is it to take a carbide burr and take a little material off the heads or the mani's to port match them? Not a big deal. - Some bolt up better, and leave you with many more options as far as DPs, exhausts, etc. Jon- I applaud you for your work, and your relentless pursuit of never giving up. It shows. I look foreward to seeing the new design. MS- The manifolds are a very simple, extremely clean, straightforeward design. Thanks for putting the effort you have into this project. All in all, i dont think its worth slinging shit back and forth over a max difference of 10hp. boostpro.net
Follow Ups	Re: AAE outperforming MSP exhaust manifolds.... - i-xclr8 16:01:56 02/15/07 my only issue with you is the 'tude you gave me - Adam (NoVA) 16:08:40 02/15/07 OMG - bluetorch motorsports 18:38:48 02/15/07 so what are you doing now? (n/m) - TTFairladyZ 21:51:51 02/15/07 Good luck in making a new design that will actually outflow - Guapo 16:09:39 02/15/07 I think they are both great designs and good job to you both - collegeboy 16:14:24 02/15/07 :TissueForU: (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:23:08 02/15/07 Re: :TissueForU: - Dave N 16:29:41 02/15/07 Re: Re: :TissueForU: - Spongerider :) 16:49:22 02/15/07 Grow up. (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 17:03:43 02/15/07 I applaud your efforts to be innovative and think - AzHeat 16:35:49 02/15/07 Re: Re: AAE outperforming MSP exhaust manifolds.... - hawaii2z 16:49:46 02/15/07 (Total Hits: 804) - Spongerider :) 17:03:53 02/15/07 Do you ammuse yourself with your "Total Hits" responses? - AzHeat 17:19:12 02/15/07 You are irrelevant. Read this - Spongerider :) 17:22:23 02/15/07 And you are relevant how???? (n/m) - AzHeat 18:03:14 02/15/07 Keep it up you're doing a fine job. - Spongerider :) 18:20:09 02/15/07 Can't answer the question of your relevance, figures (n/m) - AzHeat 18:24:44 02/15/07 How is the oil pan coming? (n/m) - Broke_as_**** 19:48:18 02/15/07 Group buy anyone? (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 20:43:26 02/15/07 You can laugh all you want. At least I am taking it - AzHeat 20:48:52 02/15/07 "Talk is cheap." As is your oil pan. (n/m) - jmoore010 20:52:26 02/15/07 book marked your post for future reference Thanks. (n/m) - AzHeat 21:12:44 02/15/07 lol (n/m) - jmoore010 23:13:57 02/15/07 FYI - ENVYMYZ 01:20:14 02/16/07 well fyi - AzHeat 09:05:44 02/16/07 FYI - ENVYMYZ 09:25:30 02/16/07 What to prove? - AzHeat 11:11:26 02/16/07 coming along great. I will post when it is ready. (n/m) - AzHeat 20:44:14 02/15/07 :shrug: - Spongerider :) 01:59:41 02/16/07 2nd. its only funny the first 3 times. (n/m) - Red Baron Z 21:00:00 02/15/07 Re: 2nd. its only funny the first 3 times. - Spongerider :) 01:23:21 02/16/07 Re: Re: 2nd. its only funny the first 3 times. - Red Baron Z 07:09:23 02/16/07 LoL! - Spongerider :) 11:15:20 02/16/07 RoFL! - Red Baron Z 18:20:07 02/16/07 Over 2 non threatening words, LOL! - Spongerider :) 22:59:51 02/16/07 Get something new to post. Total hits= "LAME". - Red Baron Z 23:35:46 02/16/07 indeed.. - Spongerider :) 15:03:10 02/17/07 Not traumatised, Just bore..think of it like chewin a piece - Red Baron Z 00:24:54 02/18/07 good luck Jon - aliaZ 16:56:47 02/15/07 There is room for debate on this subject given that not - Ash's Z 17:21:32 02/15/07 minor correction - joe (nova) posted the chart (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 18:07:38 02/15/07 you answered several questions i had >> - ztunerz 18:23:06 02/15/07 I could have tested what the collector flowed with all - Ash's Z 19:01:07 02/15/07 your 1st point>>> - ztunerz 19:22:10 02/15/07 addendum >> - ztunerz 19:35:59 02/15/07 Re: addendum >> - Ash's Z 19:55:36 02/15/07 read that - agreed but that dosn't explain why all - ztunerz 20:00:38 02/15/07 That all depends on the applicaiton. In our case, only - Ash's Z 20:04:51 02/15/07 seen the same thing in Grand nationals and turbo nsx - ztunerz 20:17:18 02/15/07 Well, technically the collector port is larger on our - Ash's Z 20:22:22 02/15/07 The pulses themselves move at the speed of sound. - Ash's Z 19:45:14 02/15/07 Air moving at the speed of sound would cause a sonic >> - ztunerz 19:47:48 02/15/07 No, I'm referring to the pulses which you are refering to. - Ash's Z 19:53:40 02/15/07 so the gasses are still there right ? - ztunerz 19:57:52 02/15/07 Well, I'm meaning what I'm saying - I'm not mistyping - Ash's Z 20:03:30 02/15/07 i am talking about whatever is flowing thru the runners - ztunerz 20:19:55 02/15/07 So you are actually referring to the pressure in the - Ash's Z 20:32:24 02/15/07 ok i think i get what you saying - ztunerz 20:42:47 02/15/07 EGT is mostly a function of mixture and timing, so I - Ash's Z 21:10:26 02/15/07 You are forgetting load and back pressure. (n/m) - AzHeat 11:22:24 02/16/07 maybe but i have observed >> - ztunerz 14:59:35 02/16/07 In this case, he's actually correct. - ni[X]it 19:56:41 02/15/07 So the gasses are moving at the speed of sound ? (n/m) - ztunerz 19:58:57 02/15/07 No, the pulses are moving through the gases at the speed - Ash's Z 08:34:21 02/16/07 your second point >>>> - ztunerz 19:29:58 02/15/07 You are forgetting that only one cylidner is moving air - Ash's Z 19:50:50 02/15/07 I am not forgetting - i am disagreeing - ztunerz 19:54:59 02/15/07 Which is OK, but you're almost disagreeing with gravity. :) - Ash's Z 20:00:55 02/15/07 so you are saying that if we had a inch sq runner - ztunerz 20:23:23 02/15/07 I would certainly agree with that. Are you really - Ash's Z 20:38:19 02/15/07 I'm not sure if its flawed or not >>>> - ztunerz 20:49:21 02/15/07 Gotcha. Looking closer at Jon's design, you can see that - Ash's Z 21:22:21 02/15/07 Ash you are forgetting that pulses get stacked - AzHeat 21:22:34 02/15/07 Pulses dont get stacked. Here's the math on that: - Ash's Z 21:39:53 02/15/07 Nice :) (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 11:27:20 02/16/07 You are right: there is more room for debate..... - i-xclr8 18:39:28 02/15/07 Keep in mind that any testing against the MS manifolds at - YugoBernie (NoVA) 18:43:55 02/15/07 Ah, Bernie beating me to it as usual =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 19:15:44 02/15/07 He has a hell of a lot of pcs in production and sold already - ztunerz 19:51:30 02/15/07 Re: You are right: there is more room for debate..... - ni[X]it 18:57:28 02/15/07 2nd. Its hard to say difinitively what it too big... - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 19:32:49 02/15/07 Yeah, I'm with Alias too. (n/m) - Snoguitar 22:29:49 02/15/07 Flow testing the collector is virtually meaningless given - Ash's Z 19:18:46 02/15/07 Despite your post title, I'll be buying the MS ones, thanks. - SeedyROM 19:12:39 02/15/07 >> - ztunerz 19:46:11 02/15/07 Right, that's exactly my point - SeedyROM 19:59:24 02/15/07 Fair enough - rude is not right >> - ztunerz 20:12:33 02/15/07 I'm allowed to be skeptical (perhaps even rude), - Guapo 20:22:34 02/15/07 Everyone is "allowed" to be anything they want to be :) (n/m) - ztunerz 15:00:56 02/16/07 So when you buy gas for your car do you care that - AzHeat 20:53:40 02/15/07 Re: So when you buy gas for your car do you care that - xtensive 21:11:46 02/15/07 okay that was a bad example. Point taken. (n/m) - AzHeat 21:25:54 02/15/07 If the same guy cursing me is the same one handling - SeedyROM 02:56:41 02/16/07 who said anything about cursing? Was AAE cursing - AzHeat 08:50:05 02/16/07 LOL, you must not be around much anymore - SeedyROM 10:24:07 02/16/07 Re: LOL, you must not be around much anymore - AzHeat 10:47:54 02/16/07 2nd - Adam (NoVA) 22:13:21 02/15/07 Not a problem Jon.. Keep me updated with all your projects! - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 19:59:43 02/15/07 Interesting "project" - Bigwill837 20:59:25 02/15/07 Jason? (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 00:23:50 02/16/07 Ive read all the links and honestly.... - tyler@boostpro.net 21:10:05 02/15/07 2nd (n/m) - AzHeat 21:29:13 02/15/07 Re: Ive read all the links and honestly.... - ouikikazz 22:04:16 02/15/07 3rd - blackZpremacy 22:17:55 02/15/07 There's room enough for those that settle - SeedyROM 02:53:56 02/16/07 4th. Moreover, I have spoken with Jon several times - cherry 10:30:02 02/16/07 how are MS being revised? (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 14:38:24 02/16/07 they're not (n/m) - aliaZ 20:52:57 02/16/07 Re: All in all, i dont think its worth slinging shit back an - Twainsville 14:54:39 02/16/07 Umm thanks but Im COMPLETELY happy with my msp manis (n/m) - EricTTZ 21:54:14 02/15/07 first in last out - Oppaman Z 22:04:00 02/15/07 how much does port matching ussually run? (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 14:45:24 02/16/07 do it yourself.. - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 20:25:24 02/16/07
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